What is the deal with Freemasonry and Illuminati?

whatusay asked:


Okay one what is Freemasonry and try to dumb it down for me because i read about it and didnt understand it but anyways are they suppose to be with the Illuminati or supporting them. I was just asking after seeing a video of Jay Z Lebron James and Kobe Bryant being part of the Illuminati but I thought Jay Z was a freemason then I looked up research on it and found confusing info.

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8 comments:

  1. Steve Brettell

    To dumb it down: Freemasonry is a fraternal organization that promotes improving men socially. Nothing more.
    The Illuminati were an organization of men, some of whom were Freemasons, that existed in Germany. They had a political agenda, and were suppressed by the government and ceased to exist by 1784. They don’t exist. They are the figment of the imagination of people who need someone to blame for what appears to be political conspiracy.

  2. Tin Machine

    Whenever conspiracy theory is spouted, the mysterious “Illuminati” (along with the Bilderburgers, The Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, and a plethora of others) are most often named as being responsible. Ironically, however, while many, many people can name those ostensibly belonging to the other conspiracy groups, the “Illuminati” is always left hanging as some secret, shadowy entity which no one can quite describe. Interestingly too, no one can quite identify what specific acts can be attributed to them – everybody’s got their own lists. And no one in 225 years seems to have left the organization to reveal its secrets. Pretty powerful stuff….. (If you’re not hearing the theme music for the X-Files right now, it’s a CONSPIRACY!!!)

    @ Randy it’s a bit disingenuous to cherry pick quotes from a book that was written over 200 years ago. not to mention the fact that John Robinson clearly states in his ‘research’ that English Lodges were not corrupted like those on the continent. In the US it is predominately the UGLE or English style of Freemasonry that you will find.
    As for you quotes from John Adams, well that is just wrong. John Adams, although never becoming a member, spoke many times praisingly of the Fraternity. his son John Quincy Adams was a a known anti Mason and often made statements that were based on rumor and innuendo as most all Anti Masons do.

    @pee wee – Well lease see above and stop reading the postings of wackos, unless you are one in which case this sentence is wasted on you.

    @ David – Well since Freemasonry is not a religion your religious rant is off target and just pegs you as an intolerant boob. Freemasonry in none of the things you espouse and never has been. It is not concerned wit any one world order, other then brotherly love and affection for all mankind. Oh yeah that seems real evil to me…please.

    @ 1 eye – well it is a FRATERNITY, not a sorority so yeah, it is a male only organization, duh! Plus there are several women’s organizations related o Freemasonry.
    You make is seem so ominous when it is not. Please don’t get into the ‘degrees’ as it is hard for most to comprehend that a higher number does not mean higher in rank. Imagine a capitol T. The vertical line represents the first 3 degrees of Masonry to where it intersects with the horizontal line. The one side of the horizontal is the Scottish rite and the other is the York rite.
    The 3rd degree is the highest degree in any lodge, all are equal and we meet on the level.
    As and example, a member of a Lodge lets his membership lapse and he is also a 33rd. When he is dropped from the rolls of the blue lodge he will automatically be dropped from the Scottish rite and the Grand Lodge sets the rules and allows the appendant bodies to exist in it’s jurisdictions. So in a way the appendant bodies (Scottish rite, York rite, shriners, etc.) are subordinate to the blue lodges and grand Lodge.
    Most Masons see the appendant bodies as additional learning and an entity unto it’s own. There are several 32nd degree Scottish Rite Masons in my lodge and they hold no more sway than I do. In fact their membership in these bodies is inconsequential in a blue lodge.

  3. 1 eye dog

    Joseph Jesus earth bound father was a craftsmen of the woods
    .
    So is a Freemason a craftsmen of the art of wood making by the tools they use
    .
    And being an organization of only men it is sometime seen as being bios in sex discrimination
    .
    But far and between it is
    .
    It is a club that makes the men with in more in touch with the needs of each other
    .
    And it evolves into degrees to pass
    .
    Up to the 33 degree the supreme degree held only by the most out standing of Masons alive only a few hold that degree
    .
    The 32 degree is the Scottish Right
    .
    Who in them selves established the first Children Hospital in Cincinnati Ohio and still hold it fast as to being the best in the world
    .
    And they the Scottish Right members are all 3 degree Masons in a Lodge of Freemasons
    .
    And their buildings have no windows in them so as to keep all the outside worlds effect away from the men that are with in the Temple of a Mason
    .

  4. Brother G

    Freemasons exist they aren’t a religion, but a fraternity.

    the Illuminati existed centuries ago and don’t exist anymore.

  5. David

    These groups are globalists that are working to build a one-world government that will be led by antichrist in the future. So needless to say, it is evil.

    So avoid these groups, and instead, believe in JESUS for His free gift of salvation!

    Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D And the Trinity is true!

    The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into heaven and avoid being sent to hell, is by believing in Jesus for His free gift of salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God, died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus for His free gift of salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter what! John 3:16! :D

    Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe in JESUS for His free gift of salvation! It is impossible to lose or “leave” salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).

    Please pray now: “Jesus, I believe that You died on the cross to pay for my sins and that You rose from the dead, and I thank You for eternal life!” You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die! :D

  6. pee-wee

    I have limited knowledge of both. Freemasonry like to influence society, and encourage people
    joining them to go further up their ladder to the 33rd level, they do all sorts of stupid tests that are imposed on them, a teaching of self discipline. They then have to make stupid promises not to reveal the method of their influence on the outside world, and how they govern themselves, like swearing on “The Bible”, on mutilating ones body, cutting their entrails from within, and removing them.

    As if Sacrilege on God’s good book is not enough. They learn certain signs, to get themselves in privilege positions which normal people are more capable, also I quote an incident early last century.

    This particular Freemason had done a murder, recognised the Judge as a Freemason’ and gave him the sign of privilege. This was ignored, the prisoner had a fair trial. Upon attaining the 33rd step on the Freemasonry ladder it is revealed. “That Satan (the brother of Jesus) is the real Christ”

    The Illuminati was started in the middle of the 18th century, by a German nobleman, there were
    two things I remember. 1. was all houses would be owned by the state. 2. And he advocated World
    Government

    Pee – Wee.

  7. Randy H

    The Illuminati fully infected freemasonry by 1800. See John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracy

    President John Adams: “I do conscientiously and sincerely believe that the Order of Freemasonry, if not the greatest, is one of the greatest moral and political evils …”

    John Quincy Adams was equally wary of the masons, especially with the murder of William Morgan.

    From “Proofs of a Conspiracy,” John Robison, A.M., Professor
    Rank of Scotch Master
    9/5/1797

    “I have been able to trace these attempts, made, through a course of fifty years, under the specious pretext of enlightening the world by the torch of philosophy, and of dispelling the clouds of civil and religious superstition which keep the nations of Europe in darkness and slavery. I have observed these doctrines gradually diffusing and mixing with all the different systems of Free Masonry; till, at last, AN ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN FORMED for the express purpose of ROOTING OUT ALL THE RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENTS, AND OVERTURNING ALL THE EXISTING GOVERNMENTS OF EUROPE.”

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